Message #3591 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 02-08-93 23:09 From: Tal Meta To: Morgan Lefay Subject: Re: cyber-anything ML> To begin with, Nature and technology really CAN'T co-exist harmoniously. ML> destroys for a greater purpose, and the other destroys out of ignorance ML> and boredom. Yes, but which is which? A beaver dam is technically technology... for beavers. The beaver's don't do studies to see the enviromental impact of their dams, they just build them because they need 'em. Human dams, on the other hand, are built for much the same purpose, but are (today, anyway) built with an eye on what it will do to the surrrounding ecology. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3592 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 02-08-93 23:20 From: Tal Meta To: Morgan Lefay Subject: Re: cyber-anything ML> Okay. As a mother, I have to ask this question. If said child was in ML> reality (and I use the term loosly due to the subject here) nothing more ML> than data, would it truly be capable of love? I don't think I'd want my ML> child to hug and love me and grow in front of my eyes simply because it ML> was programmed to do so. Or for that matter, my mate.... I'd rather be ML> with someone capable of genuine emotion and passion than some high-tech ML> automaton. Nope. Good or bad ML> I'll take Life. Yes, but how can you tell the difference? Does your child love you because it chooses to, or because of the fact that you supply it with food, shelter, and entertainment/nurturing? And aren't instincts a kind of programming? And what is love, anyway? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3610 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 03-08-93 10:52 From: Zodiac To: Morgan Lefay Subject: Re: cyber-anything ML> Not to mention the fact that, like any other computer program, the program ML> (offspring) only knows what the programmer (or parent) thought to tell it. well, I'm sure sooner or later we'll be able to develop self_editing programs, that can modify themselves to their needs, and also look for other sources of information...like if you planted some big old computer on the internet, and taught it to understand english, and gave it the ability to reason to an extent (with the help of neural_net type thinger) and just gave it a zillion addresses to look at, i'm sure that it would learn a whole lot more than what the programmer had in mind...it'll happen one of these days, or years.. zod ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3611 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 03-08-93 10:54 From: Zodiac To: Blitzkrieg Subject: Re: cyber-anything Bl> Yeah, but what about those couples who want kids but cant have any? They Bl> could "virtually" conceive a child, who would remain in cyberspace, and be Bl> "theirs". wow, that's a nice thaught, but it'd prolly be mega-emotionally trying...i sure wouldn't want a cyberkid :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3623 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 04-08-93 06:23 From: Flammable Fuzzball To: High Priest Subject: Re: cyber-anything Well you also have to take into account the other natural chemicals released by your brain and body during a trip. I'm speaking hypothetically since I don't know all of the chemicals, but if a chemical is secreted from your system as a result of taking the LSD, and that second chemical will cause flashbacks, then I'd have to say that flashbacks are indeed a direct result of LSD usage. And something I do know for fact, I trip has nothing whatsoever to with LSD, a trip is caused by the chemicals released from the brain as a result of taking the lsd. Lsd actually leaves the brain minutes after it enters, the remaining effects are caused soley by the brain's own chemicals, not by the LSD itself. The LSD is more of a trigger. That's part of the reason why they say LSD is so safe to use, it isn't in your brain that long, the trip is simply a result of the LSD triggering a release of chemicals in your brain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3627 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 02-08-93 10:17 From: Jimi Hendrix To: Neoplasm Subject: Re: cyber-anything NE>brains with them...from what I understand about intelligence, it has NE>something to do with the relationship between the size of the brain and the NE>body... tho I'd assume that a minimum amount of brain cells is needed to NE>spontaniously form a thought... Nope.. some pretty smart people have had smallish brains.. Its more important on how much of your brain you use efficently.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3628 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 02-08-93 10:18 From: Jimi Hendrix To: Romester Subject: Re: cyber-anything RO>JH> Tell me this if you went to two different people RO>JH> told them both to SIT and one sat and the other justs walks away RO>JH> WHO WOULD YOU SAY IS SMARTER? RO>Thats kind of irrelevant, isn't it? We are talking about Cats & Dogs, not RO>people. But if you must know, anyone who does not do as I say is a RO>COMPLETE IDIOT!. hahah.. Actually its VERY relevent.. I don't know why people think they are so spiffy dorri anyhow.. so we can make bombs to blow ourselves up.. boy oh boy.. now THATS a superior lifeform! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #3630 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 02-08-93 10:18 From: Jimi Hendrix To: Terminator Subject: Re: LSD TE>Syd Berret. Many of my friends have experienced flahbacks (One Ended up TE>killing himself) Syd had many problems other than his acid use... Besides.. the amount of acid he did was enourmous.. More per his body size than Hendrix or Morrison.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4329 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 04-08-93 08:44 From: Agthorr To: Terminator Subject: Re: cyber-anything > Terminator smurfed this message to Romester Te> Sorry ! Cats are smarter than dogs ! No question about it . A dog may Te> understand alot of commands that even I don't understand, doesn't Te> mewan their smart ! Cats either you like it or not ARE smarter than Te> dogs. If you'd be intrsted there is litter written about it. Can Find Te> it your local lib. I saw a Far Side cartoon and it says two things: What a dog hears, "Blah blah blah Rex blah blah Rex blah" What a cat hears, " " It's totally true too. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4350 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 04-08-93 19:10 From: Jimi Hendrix To: Romester Subject: Re: cyber-anything RO>No way. Don't equate smart with "independendant." I am interested in the RO>little written about it. What is your source. Cats can.. Open doors fight better do more.. Whats my source.. about 30+ cats we've had since i was a kid Plus I have seen cats respond to thier name.. Once.. we couldn't find our cat WE yelled.. "here willie.. here willie" bout 2 minutes later he came walking in with a "piss off" look on his face... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4351 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 05-08-93 12:22 From: Romester To: Jimi Hendrix Subject: Re: cyber-anything JH> Plus I have seen cats respond to thier name.. JH> Once.. we couldn't find our cat JH> WE yelled.. "here willie.. here willie" JH> bout 2 minutes later he came walking in with a "piss off" look on his So you had one smart cat out of 30+. I have had tons of dogs since I was a kid, and they all knew their name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4352 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 05-08-93 23:16 From: Terminator To: Romester Subject: Re: cyber-anything Ok I'll get you any item conerning this item, I asure you. Just give me some time. My sources in this matter are scientifical prgrams. I'll supply you with the facts don't worry ! And To discrimate the dog a little more ; A rat with wings)Pigeon) is smarter, well it depmdes on what is smart , doesn't it ? But anyway (99) piegons on one square. You have two persons giving out seeds! The First gives two as the other fives one. Guess what ! 66 of the piegons goes to the part who throws out 2 seed at a time !! Now this is facts ! Now would the dogs fight about this or divide in seperate parties ?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4353 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 05-08-93 23:19 From: Terminator To: Jimi Hendrix Subject: Re: LSD I know Syd had other problems, but the drug who PROBABLY provoked many of his problems was LSD and I'm sorry, I MAY kill you. HAD friends in that position. I'm NOT saying everybody experience this (I haven't,sort of) !!!!! So Jimi play that guitar and proceed with Speed ....!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4354 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 06-08-93 22:30 From: Farmer Bogshroom To: Romester Subject: Re: cyber-anything You ever think the cat just does'nt care enough to respond? I mean, they like to have attention sometimes, but most of the time they want you out of their way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4355 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 07-08-93 01:04 From: Romester To: Terminator Subject: Re: cyber-anything T> But anyway (99) piegons on one square. You have two persons giving out T> seeds! T> The First gives two as the other fives one. Guess what ! 66 of the piegons T> goes to the part who throws out 2 seed at a time !! Now this is facts ! T> Now would the dogs fight about this or divide in seperate parties ?? Dogs don't eat birdseed. How burned were you when you wrote THAT?! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4393 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 05-08-93 23:27 From: High Priest To: Jimi Hendrix Subject: Re: LSD JH> Syd had many problems other than his acid use... JH> Besides.. the amount of acid he did was enourmous.. JH> More per his body size than Hendrix or Morrison.. Syd was tripping almost constantly. And it wasn't entirely his fault. Back in those days friends would give him food and drinks laced with acid as an everyday occurance. He'd simply be taking acid constantly. It certainly didn't help when his sanity was on the way out in the first place. The LSD simply quicked the process. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4400 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 07-08-93 22:51 From: Ace Lightning To: Morgan Lefay Subject: Re: cyber-anything Nature and Technology are **NOT** (as some people seem to believe) opposites. The Goddess made us humans capable of making technology. We are part of nature. Our technological creations are just as much a part of nature as a beaver dam or a termite mound. However, we are also among the small group of the Goddess' children who have the capacity to choose our actions based on our moral judgements. It IS most emphatically our responsibility to use our technology RESPONSIBLY. Nothing is intrinsically good or evil. We can only judge by what results we observe. Industry that creates toxic wastes that give our children cancer is "evil". But industry that creates non-polluting solar panels out of recycled materials is "good". And I'm not going to give up my techie-toys without a struggle! :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #4417 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 08-08-93 16:44 From: Grinning Coyote To: High Priest Subject: LSD > acid constantly. It certainly didn't help when his sanity was on > the way out in the first place. The LSD simply quicked the > process. From what I've been reading lately about LSD, had he had the right setting and friends around him, the acid could have CURED him. Remember, Leary had a 90% CURE RATE on hardened criminals... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #7349 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 09-08-93 06:25 From: Agnostic Messiah To: Grinning Coyote Subject: Re: LSD GC> From what I've been reading lately about LSD, had he had the right setting GC> friends around him, the acid could have CURED him. Remember, Leary had a GC> 90% CURE RATE on hardened criminals... hmm, i'd have to go with you on that.. it's certainly helped me in certain problems I've had.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #7374 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 07-08-93 08:06 From: Bonghog To: Terminator Subject: Re: LSD How do you know that your friends were experiencing flashbacks when they killed themselves? Did you communicate with them by some kind of telepathy right before they did it? And believe me, LSD is a LOT less dangerous than speed or meth. It's nonaddictive and it doesn't "change your chromosomes" or any of that other bullshit. And flashbacks are easy to bear. After the initial shock you realize what it is and wait it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #7412 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 08-08-93 10:14 From: Sandman To: High Priest Subject: Re: cyber-anything HP> No it doesn't. LSD causes no detrimental physical effects on the body. HP> It has no real side effects. Physically it's one of the safest drugs HP> out there. Mentally, it may be a different story. Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be surprised. -Sandman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #7420 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 11-08-93 16:10 From: Flammable Fuzzball To: Sandman Subject: Re: cyber-anything SA> HP> No it doesn't. LSD causes no detrimental physical effects on the body. SA> HP> It has no real side effects. Physically it's one of the safest drugs SA> HP> out there. Mentally, it may be a different story. SA>Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be surprised. For every medical report you show me that says LSD is bad for the body, I can find one that will tell you it has no harmful lasting effects on the body. There's no way to truly be sure from reading about it, the only sure fire way to know for yourself what it does is to go get yourself a chemistry degree and research it yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #7421 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 11-08-93 18:36 From: Grinning Coyote To: Sandman Subject: cyber-anything > Try reading a medical journal on this subject. You'd be > surprised. Medical Journal as put out by WHOM? The Guv tends to say it'll fuck your genes, melt your brain..err..sorry...FRY your brain (as evidenced by the egg commercial...), and other things too horrible to mention. On the other hand, Dr. Leary CURED 90% of the repeat offenders (violent offenses no less!) completely by using Shroom-Pills, and later found the same benefits of LSD. Care to quote the journal you're talking about? The two camps are quite opposed on the subject, and until further studies on the subject are made legal, it'll remain an intellectual argument... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11219 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 11-08-93 12:19 From: Euphoric Demon To: Bonghog Subject: LSD Bo> telepathy right before they did it? And believe me, LSD is a LOT less Bo> dangerous than speed or meth. It's nonaddictive and it doesn't "change Bo> your chromosomes" or any of that other bullshit. And flashbacks are Bo> easy to bear. After the initial shock you realize what it is and wait Bo> it out. Bo> I'm looking forward to a new GREEN economy! Did anyone know LSD stands for LySergic acid Diethylamide? ***[EuPHoRiC DeMoN]*** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11228 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 08-08-93 17:36 From: Romester To: Bonghog Subject: Re: cyber-anything B> seen some really stupid ones. The same goes for dogs. And of course, B> everyone will argue in favor of what animal they prefer. B> Well, my point is made...I think dolphins are smarter anyway... :) Dolphins can't sit, either.@@ \/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11229 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 09-08-93 03:08 From: Bonghog To: Romester Subject: Re: cyber-anything Yes, but cats and dogs don't have nostrils on the tops of their heads. So there!! :> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11230 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 09-08-93 13:06 From: Romester To: Bonghog Subject: Re: cyber-anything B> Yes, but cats and dogs don't have nostrils on the tops of their heads. B> So there!! :> But dolphins can't lick their balls. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11232 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 09-08-93 21:20 From: Romester To: Bonghog Subject: Re: cyber-anything No dolphins in "Old Yeller" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11242 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 12-08-93 19:08 From: Grinning Coyote To: Flammable Fuzzball Subject: cyber-anything > For every medical report you show me that says LSD is bad for the > body, I can find one that will tell you it has no harmful lasting > effects on the body. There's no way to truly be sure from reading > about it, the only sure fire way to know for yourself what it does > is to go get yourself a chemistry degree and research it yourself. Since I'm not really willing to do that, I tend to listen to the MAIN expert in the field of LSD research -- TIMOTHY LEARY. He was one of the only experts involved in LSD research who did not get a take from the government... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message #11254 - GodNet General Chatter Date: 12-08-93 00:18 From: High Priest To: Euphoric Demon Subject: LSD ED> Did anyone know LSD stands for LySergic acid Diethylamide? No, it stands for Lysergic Saeur Diethylamide. ^ being the German word for acid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------